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This is the Portrait System podcast, a show that helps portrait photographers and people hoping to become one, navigate the world of photography, business, money and so much more. We totally keep it real. We share stories about the incredible ups and the very difficult downs when running a photography business. I’m your host, Nikki Closser. And the point of this podcast is for you to learn actionable steps that you can take to grow your own business and also to feel inspired and empowered by the stories you hear.

Hey everyone, this week your Clubhouse episode with Ashleigh and Kevin is with guest Kenzie Olds.

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Kenzie is one of the most talented and just amazing stylists that I’ve ever had the chance of meeting. She’s been a stylist for Sue and just has done such incredible work. She chats all about her business, how she runs it, how she handles her clients, builds her wardrobe, gives styling advice for photographers. Such good information during this episode. So let’s get started with Kenzie, Ashleigh, and Kevin.

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Welcome everyone to the Portrait System podcast Clubhouse Edition. My name is Kevin Conde and I’m here with my co-host Ashleigh Taylor. If you’re not familiar with the Portrait System we are a Portrait Photography podcast that is powered by Sue Bryce Education, Nikki Closser host our Monday episode, and Ashleigh and I co-host our Clubhouse Edition, which is live here on the Clubhouse app every Friday at Noon Pacific in our episodes are released on Thursdays. You can tune in on your favorite podcast app by searching for deep water system. Ashleigj, how are you today?

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I’m great Kevin, and I’m so excited to have our guest Kenzie, all to Sue Bryce’s wardrobe stylist here. I know we’re going to have a great conversation. Welcome, Kenzie.

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Thanks for having me, guys.

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We’ve had the pleasure of having your teammate and partner in crime, Bri Orozco on a previous episode. Yes, she has done both the hair and the makeup on set for Sue Bryce, and we thought it would be a fantastic opportunity to talk to you, who is another vital piece of the team about styling for a photoshoot.

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Three. Sounds great.

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So this started off and for clarity’s, sake, can you explain your role as a stylist on set? What is it that you’re responsible for?

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Well, it can vary depending on the client. But first, Sue and most portrait photographers it it kind of depends on where their wardrobe level is. So I can either come in and work with the client’s wardrobe, I can work with a studio wardrobe or if the client doesn’t feel like they have a lot that they wanted that they can choose from, or if there’s no studio wardrobe already there, then I will source the looks and usually like, meet with either the photographer and the client beforehand and just make sure that everyone feels confident in all covering all the sets that we want to cover and feeling good and the clothing that they’re in.

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So why might a portrait photographer take that extra step and invest in having a stylist for a shoot. Because I think a lot of us, like we already budget in hair and makeup, but we may not always think to budget it for, like a wardrobe stylist.

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Totally, totally. So, I mean, I think I obviously think there’s a lot of value in it doing it.

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But yeah, I mean, it can depend on budget. I understand a lot of people don’t necessarily have the resources or the budget to cover all of those. And so I think sometimes, you know, hair and makeup comes first before styling, but it’s a great it’s a great thing to invest in, even if you’re not investing in a stylist for a specific shooot, but just to, like, build a wardrobe because I mean, clothes are so much of the photo they translate.

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I think a lot in how the client or the model feels on set. When you think about like when you go out and you’re in your favorite look or like a cute outfit, like you’re going to feel empowered, you’re going to feel strong, you’re going to feel good about yourself. And not really. I feel like kind of helps bring clients out, especially on shoots when they kind of already have those nerves going strong.

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Yeah, I totally agree. And I feel like sometimes clients just have like, I feel like I have two types of clients. I have the type of client that’s like already kind of super stylish. That’s why they’re looking for a shoe like this. They don’t need any guidance. They’ve got, like the most fabulous style. And then I have like the clients that are like, I don’t have anything to wear. I don’t know what’s up. I know nothing but make me look fabulous. Yeah.

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And the truth is, you know, I don’t I really I don’t think everyone needs a full time stylist right off the bat. So it’s kind of it’s kind of picking and choosing. Just like you said, I think there’s a lot of people that struggle. Or maybe you feel a little more self-conscious about styling something themselves and that goes for photographers or the client like, I’ve, you know, some people really love that aspect and playing dress up, and I don’t I don’t blame them, but. Some people, you know, maybe don’t feel like it’s their forte, or maybe, you know, like I’ve had a lot of I’ve had a lot of male photographers, especially who were just like, I don’t really feel comfortable, like telling my female clients necessarily what to wear or like helping them dress like I don’t really know female style as well or.

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So it just depends.

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I don’t think you’re talking about Kevin

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I’m sitting here, you know, like, how do I? I don’t know. I don’t know how to determine which style, you know, not

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try to name call. Yeah.

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Yeah. And there’s nothing wrong with it. Like, it totally varies. It just varies person to person. So it’s it’s determining your comfort level or if you want to work on it, like, I also have gone in and helped photographers just build out a wardrobe. Maybe they they can’t budget out like having a stylist on every single set, but they’re like, I just want to, like, have key pieces here, and I don’t even know where to start or like getting styling tips themselves so that they can feel confident, like zhooshing on set or stepping in, etc..

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Speaking of that, like when you think about where a photographer should start with a wardrobe, what do you think like the first place makes the most sense to start? Is it getting something super lavish? Is it getting basic pieces? Is it getting fabrics like what do you advise people to start with?

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Again, I mean, I think it kind of depends on your your comfort level in exploring. So maybe if you’re a little shy or you’re just like starting out with wardrobe and you’re not really sure how to do a lot of things, I would say a good thing, a good exercise I have people do is, I think a lot of people do this anyway. But you know, you’re scrolling through Instagram or Pinterest or whatever. Magazines like start saving some images that really kind of just draw you out. And and what you like.

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And I think you can kind of start to pick up on an ongoing theme of some of the things that like, you can use that as a great base to figure out building out a studio wardrobe. I always think it’s good to start with basics just because basics are basics, and you can use them in so many different ways. But, you know, I would suggest like it’s it’s always fun to get like a piece. A piece or two that’s a little on the extra side as well, because I think everyone

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for the most part, I think people inevitably, even when I have clients that you know are set on, I just want this as a branding issue. I don’t really want to do anything glam. And then I think once they get in the studio and start getting a little more comfortable by the end of the shoot, they’re like, OK, well, now I kind of want to do something more fun now. Yeah, it’s good to have something on hand, I think. And it doesn’t have to be anything crazy, but just a few, like

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a few good options. I would say you can even get glam options that are kind of basic, like the infinity dress is a great example of that.

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Oh yeah, I forgot about that one.

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Yeah, and like that’s amazing, because it it looks effortless, but it’s still like fairly simple or casual, but you can kind of make it into like whatever you want and it fits a plethora of body types. So it’s a really great, a great starter piece, I think.

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Yeah, I think like for me, I know when I started building my wardrobe for me, I focused on kind of the extra pieces first just because I felt like, Oh, people are spending like, you know, several thousand dollars on the photoshoot. Like, and I maybe this is the wrong mindset, but like my mindset was like, they’re not going to spend like six hundred dollars on a dress. Although I do find the people that like go all out with all the things usually do spend a lot of money on the pictures, too. But

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but it’s yeah, it’s nice because also, like you said, sometimes people will say they want just the basics and then they see that you have something fabulous. And even if they don’t wear it on that shoot, sometimes they come back for another shoot to do something a little more fabulous.

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Oh my gosh. I mean, and I love if you don’t have a stylist like I usually have everything hung up on a rack on display, so it can kind of get the client a little excited beforehand. And when they see, you know, some of the sparkle or, you know, glam, they get a little, you know, a twinkle in their eye and you’re like, OK, I can see you’re open to this now. But that is a fair point. I think the the lavish things usually people don’t have on hand. It’s always good, I think, to have just a few basics in the sense of like if someone if someone brings something in and maybe they don’t have like.

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A key piece to like, bring everything together, it’s nice to have, you know, a couple maybe body suits or tank tops or a black turtleneck is always an iconic classic. I know everyone in Sue’s Group. Yeah.

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But yeah, and I think, you know, a lot of photographers and everyone who is in this industry kind of loves that dreamy side of it. So, you know, why not? And an infinity dress is a great way to do that without a lot of commitment, I guess. So they’re on a, you know, they’re pretty affordable. You can get them pretty much anywhere. Order them online and you can do a lot with them. And then I think you can just keep growing it from there.

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Okay. So just to be sure for for all, for all the gentlemen out there, I’ll just be sure what the basics are. So we got sweaters, infinity dresses and what else did you just say?

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Tops? Yeah, I think tank tops are just like, you know, even like a tube top or just something really simple. And all of these things, you can find them online. You can find them at, you know, Nordstrom Rack or Marshalls or Zara or whatever the Amazon to Amazon, to all of that. I mean, I don’t I don’t think you can go to wrong. I think looking looking through some images again is a great place to start if you’re not really certain, but just just some key pieces that could be worn with anything like you can throw them.

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You know, you can throw them with some jeans, you can throw them with a pencil skirt or like with whatever the client brings in. It’s a good little somethings that you have like the bare minimum in case your client comes in and says they have something, but maybe they don’t have as much as they think they do.

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You know, that’s when you’re just talking about that. It brought me back to a very recent experience I had where Sue had suggested a while back. Like, I think you guys showed on Amazon some very basic slips and getting them their stretchy, getting them in a few sizes and like nude and black. And so I have a few and I did a wardrobe like styling consultation for this generations shoot. I thought it was crystal clear about everything that you know they were supposed to bring in. It was like a mom, a grandma and the mom’s like in her 50s and then like kind of a Gen Z like young 20s daughter.

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And the daughter just didn’t bring the dark outfit because she said, Oh, I thought we weren’t really going to do that because my grandma doesn’t like black. And so it just didn’t bring anything. And I was like, Oh my gosh. And the mom was like, But I tried to play it cool. It’s like, OK, but the mom was like, pissed. She was like why don’t you bring? Why don’t you do this? We had this whole conversation, you know, like. And then I just was like, Oh, she kind of has like funky style, though she had like big Chelsea boots and like, cool like chain necklaces.

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And I was like, I feel like you could just wear this black slip, and it would just look like a mini dress. You know, it’s like so nondescript

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dresses are so

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hard. Yeah. I was like, I feel like this is actually like, pretty cool for like a Gen Z girl. And she she was like, Oh yeah, I could totally wear this and we clamped it, and it totally worked out. But it was just funny because like, the mom was, like, so pissed and she’s like, You need something black. You need to wear one of her tulle dresses. And I could just tell, like, looking at this girl, I was like, No, this girl’s not wearing like a tulle dress. Like, that’s just not going to work for her. But it’s like, Yeah, the slip like, saved the day, you know? So it just goes to show sometimes you really do need to have a little be thick

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and you know, it happens all the time where people, you know, think they brought something and they forgot it at home on the hanger or whatever. So it’s just good to have those basics. And I will say to that point, having having slips is very nice, just anything versatile that you can throw in last minute. And Keith, those mistakes happen because they inevitably always do. And then I also I always, always have an array of skin tones in slips or like band dos, which for anyone who doesn’t know or just basically like a little scrunchie like tube top bra, and they’re just great, you know, they’re great to go under things.

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And the same with same with pasties as well. Like always have them in multiple skin tones just on hand. You never know, you know? Same thing with underwear in case you’re ever doing thing a little more like a little more boudoir or risque, like, it’s just always good to have those very basic options on there. Obviously, underwear, if anyone’s wearing that, you’re sending them home with it. But yeah. Just to clarify, I’m not telling you to re-use that.

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You have like Oprah, you get a panty, you get a panty, everyone gets a panty.

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Yeah. I don’t mean like those are just little things, but they’re they can make, you know, they can make an outfit, make or break. And sometimes it’s those little things that that people just, you know, it slips their mind before a shoot. There’s a lot to be thinking about, and those are kind of the things that can fall between the cracks sometimes.

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Yeah, definitely. And especially like, I like that you mentioned peace deals and like those at all. Like you said, those band do bras which like that brand takes me back to, I don’t know, 15 years ago or something when I could wear them,

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but I’m like, I’ve had clients forget strapless bras so many times. So it’s just, yeah, it’s just a reminder of like, yeah, if you don’t have anything for them. I think also I still haven’t bought this, but I remember Bethany Tubman Johs, like, shouted out this brand, Mrs. Kissers, which is like some weird like plunging so you could wear like a gown with like a plunging or backless neckline bra. And I’ve always like I always. It’s one of those things I keep meaning to get, but I forget to get.

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So just pro tip. I remember that too.

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It’s it’s really great, you know, and it’s good having just like a base styling kit, like, that’s something even for like editorial shoots or commercial shoots that I’m always bringing with me. Like, I always have my safety pins. I always have my like little mini dress clamps. I always have fashion tip. In case you keep having wardrobe malfunctions, you know, slap some tape on there, not slap. Be very gentle.

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I wanted to ask you about fabric as well, because I remember at the Portrait Masters conference, not this recent shoot out, although maybe you did it there too. I was just so busy, but at the the last like big conference, you did a lot of like fabric styling, and that’s something that I still get really intimidated by. And I never know where to buy fabric, how much fabric to buy, what the best type of fabric is, you know? So I was wondering if you could just give us a little rundown about incorporating fabrics in your studio wardrobe?

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Absolutely. So I actually have some big plans for twenty twenty two. Oh my God, I can’t even believe I was going to

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get an exclusive like we did with Caitlin

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last

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year. Just maybe

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so I do have some plans to be bringing out some tutorials on my website and and potentially a little shop so that you guys have one stop shop for all this stuff. Because I I do get a lot of questions about this, but draping I feel like is I. I feel like it’s a step beyond what an infinity dress can do. You know, it’s so versatile, and I just I love it, and I love that you can kind of like tap into your creativity with it. It does seem daunting at first, but I mean, basically all it is for those that weren’t at portrait masters or have no idea what the heck I’m talking about.

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It’s it’s basically just a couple of yards of. Fabric of your choosing. Draped on the client. I use those like Super Industrial, Little Mini, they’re like mini c clamps and you get them at like Home Depot or Lowe’s for dirt cheap. But I use those to just clamp them onto a model and kind of like create these editorial or red carpet esque looks on the spot. And there it’s nice for a few reasons.

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So first of all, you have this one time purchase that can lead to literally endless styles, fitting any body type, any person you can, you can kind of pick and choose if you like, have a dress that you or you have a way of wrapping it that you want. You’re like, Oh, but you know, it would be so much nicer in this color like, Oh, I can just literally drape it in that color fabric. And there you go. You have it in however many colors of fabric you have. So it seems intimidating.

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I would say,

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if you were wanting to try this prior to my shop launch, a great way to kind of practice is, I would say, getting a minimum of. A minimum of four to six yards of fabric, I feel like is what I work on with. On average. I would say lean to the longer side, the more you want for like throwing. But you can always just get an extra piece of fabric and like, throw it in behind them or whatever. So it’s just a couple yards of fabric.

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And then again, like how this started for me is I actually grew up my my grandma growing up just had like boxes and boxes of excess fabric in her attic, and she would let us, you know, play in them and we would wrap each other. And then I kind of just kept doing that as I got older for for various things. And it’s funny now that it’s such an integral part of my job. But yeah, you can just save some images like I love going on Instagram and looking at red carpet looks or celebrity looks or different designers.

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And you know, I often see a lot of like drapey flowy things around like, I think I could rig something like this. And I always recommend practicing it beforehand. Especially, you know, if you’re not feeling like confident in it, it’s great to just, you know, I’ll invite one of my girlfriends over and, you know, be like, I’ll give you a glass of wine. If you wrap you in this and trust me for a moment, or if you have a mannequin or a dress form, that’s another great way to just kind of practice beforehand so you can feel confident in what you’re doing.

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But yeah, I mean, it is. It’s a it’s a trust exercise, I think a little bit.

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It’s good to practice beforehand and then like, have some reference images to show client. I think sometimes people can be like a little intimidated by being wrapped on the spot. So I think if you just, you know, kind of read the room accordingly, but it’s a great way to get a lot of extravagant formal looks for very, very cheap.

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That’s really cool. Yeah, this is something that I’ve I, I really admire, and yet I don’t trust myself to like be able to do because I just personally don’t identify with being like crafty

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and it’s totally OK. I mean, it might not be something for everyone. You can always hire me to do it you know. Yeah, but but if it is something that interests you, I mean, there’s a lot of there’s a lot of basic looks. I think it looks a lot harder than it is. And it’s just it’s one of those things, which is why I’m in the process of making some some quick, little guided tutorials on how to do it. And I do. I have I have a few on my on my IGTV. I believe too, if you want to look at it.

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There’s there are some that are a lot simpler than you think, but it’s just, you know, it’s a fun way to practice and to kind of like, see what styles look good on people. I think even if you’re not doing it on a client, it’s kind of fun to just.

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Get a hang of what looks good on different body types, on different skin tones for different poses. Even, you know, and that’s the great thing about draping and about photo shoots is that it really only needs to look good from one angle before being on it. So I have a lot, you know, when I do that on set, especially for Sue, you know, there’s a lot of just like re clamping or, you know, I’m not one to tell a to tell a client that a photographer will be fine with editing anything out.

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But if you’re fine with like editing it out a clamp in the back, then you know there’s there’s a lot to work with there.

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That’s really cool. Yeah, I this is something that I’m excited that you have tutorials coming down the pipeline. No pressure on that, but

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I’m excited to. It’s making it feel more real, like saying it out loud to people. Yeah.

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And the guy I’m sitting here saying, thank god for tutorials because I

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really, truly

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Kevin. Like I was just wondering, like, does this like kind of overwhelm you as like a dude photographer when you hear all this is a day like excite you, would you need to hire someone, you know?

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For me, I’m actually excited. I kind of do. I am interested in fashion is one of the reasons why I’m interested in Sue is all of the beautiful dresses and everything that she has in it. So seeing everything in Sue’s shots, I’m like, That’s stunning. But I don’t know how to achieve that. And the idea that there is potentially tutorials out there, especially from people who have worked with Sue, is really exciting for me to like, Oh my God, this is awesome. I can achieve the same looks that I’m seeing within our SBE community.

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And you can have that for myself. So I’m not scared, but just more like sweet,

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funny, awesome. I mean, I’ll take it. Yeah, it is. It’s it’s nice because I think going back again, you know, not everyone has access to a stylist. Not everyone lives in a town where they have, you know, a bunch of malls or shops where they can go and get kind of more extravagant looks, especially if you’re working on a budget. I mean, we all know that starting your own business takes a lot of time and money, so it’s kind of one of those things. But you know, it’s another little tactic to learn our put a little bit of time and two, but I think it goes a long way and can really add a lot to the client experience.

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Yeah, for sure. And Kevin, one thing I was going to say to you is like, I don’t know if you’ve seen all these, but sue. Also, when she first started creating all the videos for Sue Bryce education, I feel like now they’re like deep cuts, but there are a lot of like styling videos. If you do look under styling on the website, you remember, like when I opened my studio way back in the day, I like made a tulle skirt from her. Well, actually, that’s like my mother in law. I outsource this to my mother in law. So but I like gave her Sue’s instructions for that.

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And there was like that black wrap, which is sort of like almost a precursor to the infinity dress. I want to say in the sense of like

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that, the black sash.

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Yeah, the black sash. And then there’s like there’s one on like making little head pieces that I made it. I made a crafty attempt. I don’t know that it worked out the way I wanted to. It broke after a few shoots, but I did make a crafty attempt to one. So for anyone listening to. Just so you know, there are resources if you want to get started right now with like yelling

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and there are. I did do an infinity dress tutorial on on SBE.

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Yeah, so I remember that too.

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If you type in draping, draping or infinity dress, there’s a bunch of a bunch of looks already on there. Yeah, see, you can get you can get going right away.

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Yeah, I just like to point that out because, you know, the holidays are coming. Maybe people have a little slow down for a few weeks in their business and they want to get creative at home. You know, that could be those are some fun videos that I think some of them are quite, you know, old in the sense that they came out a few years ago. And there’s so much new content that comes out all the time that if you just joined the membership recently, you might not even know they exist on the website.

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Truly

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hidden gems.

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I know there are a lot of hidden gems in SBE..

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So you pointed out we pointed out that the the the basics for a women’s wardrobe, but what are the things that a photographer can have like in their toolkit? What are the most important things that they might not realize they need while on set?

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So I think first and foremost is the little mini see clamps I was talking about earlier. You can get them in bulk at Home Depot or like a. Department home renovations tour like that. They are small and so frickin mighty. They’re just great. I mean, for draping, obviously I use them, but you can use them for literally anything. I mean, if you are clamping, you know, fabric in the background, you can clamp. You can clamp clothes a little tighter, so they just fit better.

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You can help stop wardrobe malfunctions. If someone straps keep falling down, you can clamp the straps together in the back. So those are great. And then again, I think. The pasties are a big one just for like a level of comfortability in case you get anything a little too sheer. And then safety pins and fashion tape are the other two big big big helpers, as well as a little like handheld steamer and a lint roller. So those are like the basics that I always, always, always have with me on hand, and they save the day a lot.

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We are starting to get questions. We got questions today, people. So I want to see if Donya looks like you’re on stage and you are the first one here. If you, I don’t see your mic icon. So if you’re able to unmute yourself and ask your question, Can you hear me? Hello. Yes. Yeah, we can hear you.

00:28:21:23 – 00:28:23:17

So it was not on mute. That’s why.

00:28:25:09 – 00:28:56:29

Hello, everyone. Thank you for doing this clubhouse. So my question is, how do you go about determining what colors look good on different people with like their skin tones and then undertones? And the reason why I ask is I came across somebody on Instagram who’s also a stylist, and she had like these strips of colors categorized in like warm colors or cool, cool colors.

00:28:57:09 – 00:29:30:00

And then she would put the strip on, and the strip has lots of different colors on it, and she would put them on the client and then let the client actually see for themselves that, OK, these color look good on you or these, not so much. And then, you know, that was really cool to see also for the client that you know, OK, so I should go with these colors in the future type of thing. And I’m like, you know, picking out, redesigning my wardrobe or whatever. So but it seemed very complicated and like, you have to be kind of like a master at color theory, which I am not for sure.

00:29:30:02 – 00:29:41:14

So I was just wondering if you have any tips or any tools that will determine what colors look good on different skin tones and depending on their undertones as well?

00:29:42:02 – 00:30:18:11

Absolutely. No, that’s a really good question. So you I, it’s another thing that feels intimidating, but I always like, you don’t have to memorize this stuff right off the bat, like, I think, kind of just practicing it and going with the flow. And then if you ever forget what it is, I mean, Google always helps. Like you can pull up like very simplified charts of this. I did this a lot when I first started freelancing a while a while back and I was trying to to memorize all of this so that I could sound technical, but it kind of just depends on their skin tones.

00:30:18:13 – 00:30:52:20

I don’t think that as a photographer, you should necessarily have to have like the strips of fabric, but that is a cool thing to help clients understand or like practice again on on your friends or family or yourself. So typically, colors for warm skin tones like you want to have warm undertones matching. So they it’s kind of like complementing each other. A lot of like honeys and olives and corals and creams look good on the white or on the warm skin tones.

00:30:54:14 – 00:31:28:00

And then, like more cool skin tones, you’re going to go with a cooler side. So like cream as the warmer version of white, so it looks better on warmer skin tone. Whereas white is a more cool undertone, so it looks better on a more cool skin undertone, if that makes sense. And it’s really like people who have neutral skin tones, which an easy way to tell this. By the way, this is also how makeup artists can figure out what someone’s undertones are if you look at the veins in your wrist.

00:31:29:02 – 00:32:00:03

So if you’re looking at the veins in your wrist and they are both green, green or blue and purple, that means you have neutral skin tones. That means you have both kind of warm and cool, which is kind of great because that kind of means, like most colors will look both on you. And then if your if your veins are more of a purple, that means you have like warmer skin tones versus if it’s green, that is more cool.

00:32:00:17 – 00:32:32:24

So that’s a good little cheat sheet. Again, there’s like a lot of there’s a lot of tweets that can help remind you of that. Just out on the internet, if you Google like skin tone charts are like how to tell your undertones, because sometimes it’s just hard to retain that information when you’re not using it like every single day. But yeah, I think just another good way to do it is if you can get maybe like a test shoot model in that has each skin tone and just kind of play around with.

00:32:32:27 – 00:32:38:02

Colors and you can kind of go from there and see see the difference.

00:32:38:26 – 00:32:48:27

I’m wondering, Kenzie, if you feel like the backdrop color also should. Like, correspond with them, maybe the models undertones.

00:32:49:20 – 00:33:27:16

Yeah, I think I mean, all of this is guided by the way, like I do think, you know, it’s one of those things where you know the rules so you can break them because it’s not a hard law that like you can’t wear cool if x y z. But you know, depending on. Yeah, depending on the backdrop, depending on hair color, it can. It can feel a little bit overwhelming. I would say I try to typically in the same way that you would like, coordinate an outfit with the backdrop. So you’re coordinating what outfit looks good on your model or client based on their skin tones, their undertones, et cetera, maybe their branding.

00:33:28:21 – 00:33:46:24

So find something that looks and feels good on the client. I think first and foremost, because that is going to show on their face and translate in the images and then match the undertone of the backdrop accordingly. So it’s great to keep cool on cool tones, warm on warm tones, if that makes sense.

00:33:47:26 – 00:33:55:01

I love that. We also have a question from Mercedes, so Mercedes, if you can go ahead and I’m yourself.

00:33:56:15 – 00:34:09:27

Hi, everybody. Hey. So my question is, um Kenzie, is it because I know you mentioned that you you do provide services like

00:34:13:03 – 00:34:47:21

personal consultation? Is there something you can do like via Zoom by looking at pictures or actually having to talk to the like, though like a client? Or do you have to see them in person? Or, you know, like I again, I’m also one of those photographers that I’m just not that great at like styling, and I love how Kevin you said, you know how Sue And in the photos and the experience, we had a portrait masters and I loved it, you know, and I want to be able to recreate that for my clients.

00:34:48:11 – 00:35:05:26

Why I don’t have that confidence yet, because like again, I my colors are great white and black because, you know, I’m not that comfortable with mixing colors or wearing the wrong thing. So I’m looking for help, you know, to like, help my clients.

00:35:07:11 – 00:35:18:03

So is that something you can provide or is it something that you know, like I can reach out and like maybe Google a stylist even then, because I’m in Chicago, I just need to educate myself.

00:35:18:24 – 00:35:53:09

Yeah. No, we gotcha. I I think definitely. It’s again, it’s one of those things that I think it just comes. You become more confident or more comfortable around it in time and with either watching a stylist or, you know, saving images and practicing on friends or at home. But absolutely. Also, there is nothing wrong with classic black, white and neutrals like those are always chic, so don’t don’t undersell it. But absolutely, I do offer online styling consultations for a number of photographers.

00:35:53:27 – 00:36:03:13

You can always reach out to me via Instagram or my email, which is on my website, which is in my bio on Instagram, and

00:36:05:01 – 00:36:39:09

we can set whatever works best. But typically what I do for portrait photographers is they will take me on as like an option on their packages to their clients. So if they want a stylist or if you don’t ever want to have to worry about styling and just like want to have me on every time, we can work that out too. So how I work, that anyone can do it, it’s all remote, which is great for a number of reasons. I think especially with the pandemic right now, kind of keeping down the number of people in the room is nice and bring some comfort to people.

00:36:40:14 – 00:37:13:22

And also, it means that you don’t have to live in L.A. So what happens is I will just talk with you or whoever the photographer is beforehand, they’ll give me a quick rundown if they have any reference images or what, what type of sets they’re going to be shooting, if it’s like natural light or silhouette or you name it. And then I will connect with the client and we will, depending on what platform they have. We can zoom, we can Skype, we can face time, something virtual.

00:37:13:29 – 00:37:48:25

I’ll hop on a video call with them and depending on the package that they purchased, I can either work from their wardrobe and I will just go through their closet with them and keeping your reference images and sets in mind. I will help create a set amount of looks for them to bring on set. And, you know, for in addition to that, if you depending on what they’re looking for, I can either send them a list of things to go out and shop for or to, like, bring it all together or if they just don’t have anything, sometimes that’s the case.

00:37:49:26 – 00:38:12:09

Or I can do remote styling for them so I can send them specific links to things to buy or do like a package. If you are in L.A., I’m willing to do the personal shopping and styling myself and then it’s just like a drop off day of and pick up day after.

00:38:13:03 – 00:38:14:17

That’s so cool, Kenzie?

00:38:16:26 – 00:38:31:27

One question I had, it’s kind of related, but a little slight jump off topic. Have you ever had an instant, maybe where you were helping as a stylist on set where a client brought stuff in and you’re just like? Oh, my.

00:38:34:25 – 00:39:14:01

It’s just not maybe like in your taste, you know, for me, this is happened multiple times with course that’s in a specific Halloween shade of purple or teal, where I’m just like, Oh no, what caused your shot was this? And it’s just, it’s so not my taste. So how do you go about if someone has something to you? Try to elevate it? Are there a little tricks to make something look more chic? Do you try to talk them out of it? Or do you just say, Hey, that’s their style, I’m going to run with it? Which is kind of like spoiler? That’s kind of what I do because I don’t want to make anyone feel bad, but in my head, I’m like,

00:39:14:16 – 00:39:24:25

Oh yeah, I I mean, that’s a that’s a tough one. It kind of depends on how I think. How attached to it the client is like

00:39:26:12 – 00:39:57:19

there’s there’s definitely been instances where clients come in and they really like they’re like, I brought this in specifically for this shoot. I’m so excited and you’re like, OK, I can tell you’re not going to be letting go of this one anytime soon. So, you know, sometimes I think there’s definitely like, if that’s the case, maybe you can style it so that it’s a little more chic. Or I mean, I I hate to say it, but I’ll say it. Sometimes you can kind of work with it depending on like the pose you can. I don’t want to be like, hide it.

00:39:57:21 – 00:40:05:02

But, you know, maybe like a cover if it’s a corset that has like weird appliques on it or something, maybe you can kind of

00:40:05:26 – 00:40:08:00

like a tummy pose. Yeah, yeah.

00:40:08:02 – 00:40:30:24

Or just a little more close up. So you’re not really like dealing with the whole, the whole thing in your face, but so you know, you can throw things in there, I think for a couple of shots to appease the client if their hearts really set on it, it is. It is their call. If it’s something, they feel confident in, I don’t necessarily want to stop them from having that moment. But I do find that if you have

00:40:32:15 – 00:41:03:19

if you have a few backup options like available, if you have like a better coset, it would be like, Oh my gosh, that’s great. That just reminded me of this corset that I have like, what do you think of this? And then I feel like, you know, sometimes I don’t mean this in a condescending way. I hope this doesn’t come across like that. But sometimes I kind of talk to clients or treat clients like how I would, you know, you know, how like if a kid falls down and they kind of like, look at you on like how to respond.

00:41:03:21 – 00:41:40:15

And it’s like you if you’re like, Oh, no, are you OK? They start crying. And if you’re like, Yeah, fine, they’re like, fine. It’s kind of that same tactic where I’m like, If I if I feel confident and really upsell something to them that I know it’s going to work, they’re going to trust me as the professional. Whether you’re a stylist or not, as a photographer, they’re like, Oh, you know what looks good like? And I think a lot of people really just kind of want someone to tell them what to what to wear. So, you know, if someone feels confident, I just try to like, really upsell it like, like, Oh my gosh, this I this just reminded me of this corset, which would look amazing with your eyes I like.

00:41:40:17 – 00:42:11:10

I just think you could pull it off so well, like. Or it matches your brand or like, I really, you know, there’s a lot of like little key phrases that I think you can do. You just kind of just like sway them into at least trying them, trying something on. Yeah. And kind of veering it. Or I like to, you know, sometimes at the at the beginning of the session, I usually, you know, go through rack with the client and be like, All right, so we have, you know, maybe we have four sets and we have like six or eight outfits.

00:42:11:12 – 00:42:27:20

So I know we’re not going to be able to get through all of them. And then sometimes I’ll put in that key piece that they like that I’m not stoked about, but we we might not actually get to it at the end. Yeah, yeah. So there’s a few subtle ways to do it without, you know, being like, Oh, that’s ugly.

00:42:29:18 – 00:42:39:11

But yeah, I think that’s a good little, you know, sneaky tactic that’s still honest because you are trying to make them look their best. But sometimes it is inevitable.

00:42:40:06 – 00:43:07:04

Yeah, for sure. For sure. And like for me too, sometimes I’ll change the photos black and white. If it’s usually it’s the color of the outfit that’s like, I feel like there’s certain like colors that are a little garish if they’re wrong. And for me, those colors are purple and teal, and every once in a while, red. If it’s the wrong shade of red, I feel like those colors can be very chic or very wrong. It’s a fine line.

00:43:07:13 – 00:43:13:13

Absolutely. It can border between costume or campy really quick. I know exactly what you mean. Yeah, I

00:43:13:15 – 00:43:31:18

like super fashion chic. It’s just like like Lady Gaga at who I’m obsessed with at the House of Gucci premiere. Like wear that purple chiffon thing. If anyone hasn’t seen these pictures, go Instagram them. That was like chic purple. But I have seen purple go wrong so many times, though,

00:43:33:01 – 00:43:52:08

and sometimes you just don’t know until you try it on or pair it with the right thing too. So it kind of, yeah, but I feel like you can talk your clients out of it being that you are the Pro. I feel like there’s there’s a lot of unspoken trust that is there with that kind of those kind of things and suggestions.

00:43:52:22 – 00:44:05:24

Yes, Kevin, I wanted to check in with you again. Like, what questions do you have for girls against you guys? I feel like I’m I feel like this is probably all different from your perspective.

00:44:06:10 – 00:44:12:04

It is to a small extent, but I’m, you know, listening in like, OK, you know, drop that down, dropped it down.

00:44:13:23 – 00:44:55:11

So when you work with a client, obviously every photographer is different. Everyone has their own looks, their own image, what they want. Their end goal for their portfolio products, I guess, or not even portfolio, but what their end result for their their look is. So when you’re creating a wardrobe for a shoot, are you and you’re building your wardrobe? Are you taking the photographer’s brand into consideration when you’re doing this? Maybe they work with specific colors? Or are you more working with the client’s closet? And what’s they feel they want in in what makes them feel best?

00:44:56:06 – 00:45:44:20

So it’s a little bit of both, really. I mean, some, it just kind of depends on the photographer. I think with with client work, it tends to be geared more towards the client rather than the photographer because they’re the ones paying for the images. But if it’s a hired model, it’s absolutely for the photographer 100 percent. But that that isn’t to say that, you know, if if a photographer has a very nice style or aesthetic, I always try to keep that in mind. And it is. It’s really helpful. That’s why even with the online styling consultations, it’s great to just, you know, get a little tech, start going or have a phone call with the photographer beforehand just to kind of see what their vision is for the shoot, because usually the photographer knows the client as well or has talked to them to a degree about what they’re looking for.

00:45:46:01 – 00:46:03:23

So it’s definitely navigating within what the client has in their closet. But if they’re willing to go out and shop, or if I’m sourcing some things or if they have a studio wardrobe to work with, I, I absolutely try to to gear it towards the vibe, the overall vibe that they’re wanting.

00:46:04:24 – 00:46:26:20

Going back to the studio wardrobe thing for a second, I have two questions. One is, do you try to get different pieces in like a range of sizes? Do you go for kind of that concept of get a bigger size? It’s kind of like a bridal salon and clamp it down for the tinier people? Like, how do you create a wardrobe that’s inclusive?

00:46:27:09 – 00:46:59:12

Absolutely. That’s a great question. I think so. I always err on the side of larger. I like to have a few. I feel like it’s the middle sizes that I usually neglect, which I feel like is the opposite. I feel like people tend to assume that you would get like a middle range size because it could, you know, you could squeeze someone into a little bit or you could like clamp someone to do it a little bit. But I feel like if I find a really good piece and granted it’s affordable enough, I will buy two of them.

00:46:59:14 – 00:47:32:00

And one is usually like on this like extra small side. And then another one is on the larger side. So that way, you know, I don’t think there’s anything worse than getting a client or someone on set and trying to squeeze them into something that’s too small, especially with especially with clients. Because, you know, a lot of the times as a stylist and photographer, you’re working with people who have, you know, kind of some insecurities.

00:47:32:02 – 00:48:07:08

I mean, don’t we all? Yeah. Body dysmorphia or just places things are really self-conscious about. So it’s nice to to make sure you always have large enough options because you can always, like leave a zipper undone or you can clamp someone in. But I like to make sure that I have a range for both that are that are very fashionable because I think it’s easy, especially with curvier models to kind of just get cheap software like, you know, you see a lot of cute things in small sizes sometimes, I guess.

00:48:07:10 – 00:48:25:06

Yeah, and yeah, and large. So I think just finding some really good pieces on both ends of the spectrum, and you can always meet in the middle with either one of those. And that that’s that’s how I work until I can just slowly keep building it out and adding more.

00:48:26:00 – 00:48:46:07

I just want to be sure for because I know women’s wardrobe goes by numbers. As a guy, I don’t really deal with those numbers too often. Like size two four eight 10 12 16 What numbers wise would you say that you’re looking at when you say a larger size or a somewhat smaller size?

00:48:47:02 – 00:49:20:01

So that’s a little bit of a loaded question because I’m sure, as most women know, women’s sizing varies so much depending on the brand, which is an annoying thing to deal with until you just kind of like get familiar with your brand. So what I do is the the average client, the average woman in the U.S., I think, is the size. Like, what is it, 14, 16 or 14, 18, 18? And that’s in dress sizes. And so I try, I try to go.

00:49:21:06 – 00:49:35:21

Like that is my middle ground, so I try to have things on both ends of the spectrum, so anything from I would say like for my smaller clients, it would be an extra an extra small to like.

00:49:37:07 – 00:49:40:09

Which would equate to like a. Probably two.

00:49:40:11 – 00:49:41:07

Yeah, it’s like a two.

00:49:41:23 – 00:50:17:16

Yeah. Two. So two four is the smaller side. And then I would say on the larger side, I don’t know. I’ve done everything up to like a size 22. It depends on the type of clients that you’re getting. I mean, I think you can kind of assess like the the basic size range of the clients they’re coming in. You know, if you’re not getting a lot of like super petite models, then maybe you don’t invest in the smaller sizes right away. If you’re not getting a lot of curvy models, then maybe you you stick to a size like, you know, 18 or whatnot.

00:50:18:02 – 00:50:50:09

But I feel like that’s not a very helpful answer. That is, I will say, one of the hardest jobs of a stylist is and why fittings are such a big thing is just because you kind of never know until you get things on the client. So I always over, I always over pull for a shoot and this can go for, you know, if you’re just working from studio work wardrobe, I will pull a lot more than I think I need because chances are you’re probably going to have a few things in there that aren’t going to fit or don’t work or don’t look,

00:50:51:26 – 00:51:03:24

you know, quite what you envisioned on. So I think that’s the thing. It’s between over pulling. And then if you’re not sure on the sizing, I’d say go up a size because you can always easily clamp.

00:51:05:02 – 00:51:07:18

Yeah, I think that’s really helpful advice. Oh yeah,

00:51:08:10 – 00:51:14:09

yeah. I wish. I wish we would get on the same page about making everything universal sizes, but that’s not the case yet.

00:51:15:21 – 00:51:46:15

I wanted to squeeze one more question in about studio wardrobe in terms of like, well, this may be a little self-interested because I have a small studio, but I think a lot of people from feedback that I’ve gotten in the group also have small studios and it can get kind of hard because, for example, for me, it’s like I’m kind of a hoarder when it comes to my wardrobe. Like, I don’t want to get rid of stuff. I love it, you know what I mean? Same. But then I have a small I don’t have the space suit ’cause they don’t have room for anything more than one, like one rack.

00:51:46:27 – 00:52:12:03

And I also don’t have, like a huge palace that I live in either. So it’s not like I can store it at home. So it’s like, how does someone as they’re building their wardrobe? Maybe time’s gone on. How can you assess like, what should you keep? What should you get rid of? How could you like, call through it periodically to kind of feel like you have the best wardrobe for your business at any given moment?

00:52:12:11 – 00:52:47:24

Yeah, I’m glad you asked this because it reminded me of one of my favorite hacks. So I have this problem too. You know, I live in L.A. in a studio apartment and you know, my my inventory takes up like most of my closet, so I’m constantly trying to refresh things. I think it’s a combination. You can kind of Marie Kondo it. I think it’s good to like every once in a while, whatever feels right to you, whether it’s every like a couple of months or whatnot at once a year, maybe I like to just pull out every things that I can see, everything that I have.

00:52:48:17 – 00:53:19:26

And you know, I’ll go through and I’ll just assess based off of, you know, maybe some pieces are worn out and they don’t look very good anymore, and I’m just holding on to them for sentimental value, then it’s probably time to let them go. Save you some, some post-work, too. So I pull out things that maybe I’ve just used a bunch and I’m like, all. I feel like everyone’s seen this. You know, it’s time to move on. Or maybe some things that like I thought that I would use that I ended up never using or just like out of out of style.

00:53:19:28 – 00:53:51:14

So, you know, it’s kind of similar to when you’re cleaning out your own closet like, all right, have I know I love this? But like, have I actually used it in the last year? No, OK, I’m terrible at that, you know? And this is me preaching to the choir like to take my own advice, but I think it’s good to just see everything. And then it’s kind of nice because you can also, when you are going through everything, you kind of get reminded or you’re like, see things in a different light, you know, maybe with new trends that come out, you’re like, Oh, maybe I can mix and match these.

00:53:51:16 – 00:54:11:05

So seeing if there’s pieces that I can maybe use differently than they’re initially intended like. You know, sometimes I think Portrait Masters was a great example of this, like Sue’s mom knitted this beautiful like infinity scarf, which is basically just like a tube, like a knit tube.

00:54:12:24 – 00:54:44:14

And she brought it and I was like, Oh my gosh, I kind of want that as a dress. So, you know, it’s stretchy enough. We just like slipped it on as a tube dress and like strung a necklace through the like the loose knit hoops and kind of made it like this halter slinky dress. And that was really fun. And, you know, we hadn’t that had been sitting there for a while. We didn’t use scarves as much because it seemed a little more seasonal, but it turned it into something new. So it’s a good time to like, play around with what you have and see maybe what new things you can make out of old stuff.

00:54:45:06 – 00:55:09:17

And then my other favorite thing that makes me feel better about letting things go is if you have any, any thrift stores in your area, like, for example, in Los Angeles and I know these are other states too. We have a lot of Crossroads are like Buffalo Exchange and you know, it can be hit or miss when you’re trying to, like, go get money for things

00:55:11:14 – 00:55:42:13

for your wardrobe. You know, some places are bougier and pickier about it than others, but I love going into Crossroads and just bringing in all my old wardrobe. And then they’ll either, you know, switch it out for cash or for like a store credit discount. And then usually I’ll just go bring it all my stuff. They’ll give you store credit, and then I’ll either go shopping right then and get some new pieces that I’m more excited about. Or, you know, and you can kind of like, keep changing stuff out that way pretty easily without having to keep putting money into it.

00:55:42:15 – 00:55:44:06

It’s just a little bit more sustainable.

00:55:46:13 – 00:56:00:23

And you can also do programs like Rent the Runway, like if you’re like, I have no storage space, like there’s a lot of great trunk programs that you can kind of can select from or rent pieces from or even costume shops. It’s a great thing to like a Google local

00:56:02:11 – 00:56:41:18

local costume places because sometimes you can rent really cool like robes or gowns or things that are just maybe a little extra that you might only use for one shoot and you don’t really want to invest in. So there’s a lot of great options like that. And then I think another storage solution, literally, if you’re like, OK, that’s great, but I really don’t want to get rid of anything. I think buying buying those stacked like clear bins from the Container Store or Amazon or anywhere, and you can really like compress what you have by just not having it hanging on a rack all the time.

00:56:42:26 – 00:57:14:19

So this does mean that you will probably spend a little bit more time steaming, but I feel like we’re doing that anyway if we’re being honest. So I like to have those and then I did this for Sue’s studio wardrobe because, you know, she has an amazing array of of wardrobe to choose from, but you can’t have all that out all the time and you don’t need it out all the time. So I went and got those bins and we just got like a rack that lived in the back of the studio behind, you know, behind the backdrops.

00:57:14:21 – 00:57:33:16

So they were it was still a functional space. But you go around these backdrops and you have this like wall of stacked bins that are just, you know, labeled by what’s in there. If you’re a little neurotic like me, I made like a little Google doc that had a picture of everything in the bins.

00:57:35:27 – 00:58:05:10

Yeah, which is also great, because then you can kind of like work on remote styling if you’re like traveling for the holidays or whatever, or you’re just, you know, gone, but you’re like, Oh, I wonder what would work for the shoot, but I don’t really have time to like, plan it. You can just like, pull out your phone and piece things together. So I do that by by size and by color is usually like the easiest way to like. Keep things organized so you know where it is, but it’s not like taking over your space.

00:58:06:06 – 00:58:06:29

That’s fantastic.

00:58:08:18 – 00:58:21:09

Well, Kenzie, we have hit the one hour mark and it has been an absolute pleasure having you on with us. But we got here before we let you go, though, if you please let us know where you are, so what you’re supposed to learn?

00:58:22:06 – 00:58:52:28

Yeah, thanks for having me, guys. It so my Instagram is Kenzo official. Ken Z0 And then official. So two O’s in there. And then my website is just my name Kenzie Olds Ki and Zai Olds WSJ.com. And yeah, if you guys have any questions, you can always feel free to just, you know, send me a DM or email me about online styling consultations or anything like that, the tutorials.

00:58:53:17 – 00:58:59:06

And that’s a good way to keep posted with all that stuff I mentioned at the beginning of the chat that will be coming out in. The new year.

00:59:00:04 – 00:59:33:20

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